Yes, Missoulapolis stills loves those Krazy Komments she finds on the Internets!
Here are just a few excerpts from a June 15 WSJ Room for Debate blog post called Student Debt, Fool’s Gold? And oh, the pride, the folly, the delusion, the remorse, and the harsh judgmentalism (!!!1!) that follow in (by now) in over 300 comments. It is definitely a good read (and even a chuckle or two if you enjoy someone bragging that he “recieved a great education.”).
First, a sampling of sad sacks.
I was a young widow with children. I worked two jobs, and finished undergraduate and graduate school. I was so proud of my accomplishments. It is now 15 years later, and still, I have NEVER gotten a full-time job. I have had part-time, temporary, and bouts of no jobs. I am now 50 years old, and owe more in student loans than what I borrowed 15 years ago. I am middle-aged, have no savings or assets, but I have my Ph.D.
You go, girl! I mean…Doctor.
I have approximately $100,000 in student loan debt, even after landing a 3 year prestigious fellowship that paid for tuition, living costs and research… this was for a PhD program that I eventually dropped out of due to the burdens of a growing family - I took a masters instead.
So a master’s degree is the booby prize now? Who’d a thunk.
The worst decision of my life was taking out loans to attend undergrad and grad school. Despite receiving a full-tuition scholarship for law school, my debt load is crushing. I live worse than high-school drop-outs I know, despite graduating with honors and having a full-time job. Student loans have ruined my life, as they have for tens of thousands of others. They leave that bit out of the brochures at the guidance counselor and student aid offices.
But you’ll be making all that money in the future, yes?
My wife and I inherited some money a while back and we decided to use it to pay off that long term debt. Thinking everything was on track with my 20-year loan, I soon found out about a year ago that my balance was now $85 more than what I originally borrowed so many years ago.
This one is by far the best:
During this same period, though, we had one child right out of school. This hamstrung my wife’s career focus in some ways, as we decided for her to stay home. She then decided to go into a field that required another bachelor’s, so she spent 3 years obtaining this second degree, but this time from a private school that saddled us with $55k in debt…
Making matters worse, we had our second child too soon after her graduation for my wife to establish herself in her field-most importantly, she never completed some essential training necessary to remain a viable candidate for future employment. That was two years ago. She is ready to re-enter the workforce, but employers are treating her as someone completely unqualified and she cannot find work…
One possible solution for this is more education. I am considering an executive MBA…but with a cost of $100k or so, we would be highly leveraged…
Yes, by all means get an another degree!
There are calls, of course, for government to Do Something!
We need a movement to demand affordable education that is federally funded and moreover, after graduation federally created jobs…as a recent global justice movement put it, “people over profits!”
…and the usual pieties:
As parents and society, we would be better off if our children and more people are college-educated. The challenge for federal and local governments is to make college much more affordable than it currently is. One way to achieve this is for citizens to pay more tax and channel the additional tax revenue to make public colleges and universities much more affordable for every high school student who wants to go to college. As citizen, we must make our choice between higher tax and affordable higher education.
You don’t mind paying more taxes, do you? It’s for such a worthy cause.
Finally, some common sense:
…if education is merely the means to meaningful skills that lead to work you will find satisfying, then there are plenty of truly “affordable” options that won’t require anyone to take on massive debt. But if you are trying to buy status by going to a school you can’t afford, then quit whining when the bill comes due. No one held a gun to your head and forced you to spend money you didn’t, and likely won’t ever, have. You made the
choice. Just because the system doesn’t give you what you want at a price you can afford, doesn’t mean it’s broken.
Buying status. Ouch. More tough love:
Parents - get your lazy kids to start studying mathematics and science, or get ready to enjoy their company in your home when they are 27. Why would someone take on tens of thousands in debt for a liberal arts masters degree? What a scam!
Some catcalls:
Look on the bright side all you debtors…..when you are old and gray (and still paying your loans since they are tied into the Treasury) you will still have fond memories of all that binge drinking you did, all those drugs you took, and all that sex you had. So stop whining and get another job.
A view from inside:
As a professor at a private university in the North East - it pains me each year to see students who really cannot afford to attend the school do so by leveraging their future salaries. There is an assumption that regardless of cost now- their jobs in the future will provide the income necessary to repay those loans and support a lifestyle that is also above average.
This has been going on for years. However, a new trend that is even more troubling is the percentage of students who then compound their undergraduate loans with masters level loans. Schools are not without blame; they push their graduate degrees because they are generally income generators.
And just how good is all this eddication?
I work for a professional services firm. We aspire to only hire the best and brightest - undergraduates with degrees in economics who achieved above a 3.6 GPA, MBA students from the top 20 schools, lawyers with technical expertise in business or tax law.
And guess what we have to do now?
We are offering REMEDIAL WRITING COURSES to our new employees. Our clever HR department calls it “integrating the new generation.”
LOL! Few commenters mention this option:
…it seems that most of you are saying it is beneath you to consider the military, even if it means no debt for college. I think the silence on this topic says much about our country, the people in it, and the ethics we hold dear. God help us!
Naturally, there is a great hue and cry to make student loan debt dischargeable in bankruptcy again. Well, except for one wet blanket with a good memory:
…in the mid-70’s and possibly the early 80’s there was blatant bankruptcy abuse in which many graduates, particularly doctors and lawyers were able to have all of their educational debts fully discharged under the bankruptcy code. Their (morally bankrupt) theory was that they hadn’t yet started to make much money so why not file bankruptcy. That way when they started making money they could keep it all for themselves rather than go to the trouble of paying back those pesky folks that lent them the money so they could become professionals. So…any of you that are unhappy about not being able to file bankruptcy in order to discharge your university debt can thank these folks for abusing the system so much they changed the rules.
Then, someone who has succeeded - gasp - sans degree!
I’m in sales & in a good year I can earn 90k-97k yet I don’t have a bachelors degree. The lack of degree only presents a problem if I change jobs. I’ve learned to not tell co-workers I don’t have a bachelors as they get really annoyed when they see I’m top biller for the month…
The bottom line is this:
I still hear people quoting Joseph Campbell, “Do what you love and the money will follow.” Ha. These people are not the ones who have to pay back student loans. I followed my interests into a dead end M.A. Welcome to the secretarial pool.
Heh. The lunch room is down the hall on the left…here is your time card…
I do think Congress should make the loans dischargeable again. Wouldn’t that be swell? Then, watch the student loan spigot dry up.
That will put an end to the Higher Ed bubble for awhile.